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1) Lennart Poettering

2) MAH FREEDOMS!

There are technical reasons people don't like systemd that are valid, but usually the die hard anti-systemd people boil down to hating Lennart Poettering and complaining about how the US Constitution must some where say they never have to use systemd.

There are some valid concerns (big scope, bloat, feature creep, etc) but they really haven't come to fruition, although are still valid concerns.

At the end of the day, without much effort or trouble of switching to systemd from OpenRC, my system boots faster, which is great.



Does "years of fucking with PulseAudio problems" count as its own item, or is that a subset of item 1?


I've never had issues with PulseAudio personally.


...said no one ever.

The very first thing I used to do on any new Linux install (until most distros stopped including it) was to uninstall Pulse and all of its dependencies.


I still uninstall it, even though I know it's improved a bit. I just can't get to the point of trusting it, or see the point for yet another layer of latency and bugs between programs generating audio and the sound card. They should have spent all that effort making a nice interface to dmix or something. Rather than bash ALSA for being "Linux only", then turn around and create systemd which is Linux only by design. I mean, we get it. You're the next Miguel de Icaza. The savior of Linux, coming to save us from the terror of text files, open standards, and clean dependencies. People must be forgetting the hell that was CORBA and Linux circa 2001 or so. You still can't install many apps without installing half of GNOME.


I'll say it too.

There is a lot of unfairness around PulseAudio. Sure, it had its share of bugs BUT so did Alsa. PulseAudio was pushing the envelope so crappy Alsa drivers showed they limits. Crappy sound chips too. But PA took most of the blame although it was not always it fault. It could have been handled differently, maybe.


ALSA is a piece of CRAP so its easy to compare with.

OSSv4 was the last sane thing in the linux audio department. :(


What sound card(s)?

Pulse audio on various old Thinkpads (X200s, X60, X61s) seems fine (Debian Wheezy and CentOS 6/pre-release 7) with built in sound card and a cheapo USB microphone as 'input'.


I did.


It depends what sound hardware and software you use, what the memory layout of the PulseAudio daemon happens to end up like on your system, your tolerance for audio glitches, and how long you go between reboots. The code quality's awful but if you're lucky you can miss out on the worst of the issues.


I can at least vouch for 1) drivers (arguably this is an alsa thing, but pulseaudio had a way of exposing problems), and 2) your tolerance not just for glitches, but also latency (in the form of buffers) and overall sound quality.

I suspect, based on how few people seem to be upset about pulse audio (as opposed to what one might expect) that some subset of popular sound hw worked rather well. It's just not a subset I ever owned.


The issue with drivers is a bit interesting. I wonder what pulseaudio does that alsa doesn't.


Haven't had issues across multiple systems, even back when it first came out.


Neither, funnily enough. I've never quite understood the hate, but to be fair, if the complaints I've seen were wide-spread problems, that would make sense.


I still use ALSA on my desktop system due to weird issues that only happen with PulseAudio.

I still don't trust Lennart, even though systemd looks nice from what i've seen.


Did you report the issues?


There are already several similar issues in their bug tracker with no resolution.

These all seem similar to what i've been experiencing:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46350

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46296

This is what happened last time i decided to try PA again:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73945


s/pulseaudio/linux/

does that suck too?




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