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Why not let Barcelona (not in favour of independence) go of an independent catalonia? See where this goes?


Would this actually be such a bad idea if all parties were still part of some supranational entity like the EU with some level of free movement and common regulation?


I actually would like to see this type of balkanization happen while still keeping everything inside the EU, incl open borders. This was actually the idea of the early Pan-Europa people... As it is right now, the population heavyweights in the EU have way too much say compared to the smaller states.


Why not? If Barcelona can make it as a city state why hold them back?


That's my point. The independence movement would be dead if it excluded Barcelona.


Are you adjudicating a kindergarten dispute? What an amazing attitude.

For the record I am neither for nor against Catalan independence, it is none of my business and not my place to judge.


Surely the kindergartener attitude is the attitude that a group of people should be denied self-determination and forced to be part of a larger political body against their will. It's the same kind of childish reasoning China uses to justify oppressing Xinjiang and Tibet, and that Russia's using for annexing parts of Ukraine.


> Surely the kindergartener attitude is the attitude that a group of people should be denied self-determination and forced to be part of a larger political body against their will

HN lately doesn't fail to disappoint. I don't know what else to do other than quote what you are replying to. Turn your auto pilot off.

> I am neither for nor against Catalan independence

The reasoning China and Russia give for their actions is facile. You're rather making my point.

  "Catalonia should be independent! And Barcelona should be an independent city-state within it! Why not!"

  "I am neither for nor against independence but this is an overly simplistic attitude, you clearly haven't thought about what you're saying seriously at all"

  "You're just like China!"


But it's your place to judge other regions that may want to separate?


I honestly don't understand what you're asking or what you think I think.




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