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This is what's ridiculous about much of the zoning and building codes here. People don't want poor people living in sub-optimal housing, so instead they force them to sleep outside or live with abusive people.


All sorts of things are like this.

The older I get the more I realize that you can't regulate the things wealthy societies do into existence. If everyone can't afford building code things collapse when you mandate that. If the economy is underpinned by bad working conditions or child labor things collapse when you regulate them. If people can't afford to eat at restaurants that follow some new code then they simply won't and those restaurants will fold. If you restrict the supply of some trade through licensing in the name of quality then you just get amateurs doing the lower dollar work for cash. A society has to be able to afford to do the things it mandates. People have to get wealthy enough to reliably afford "right" before you can legislate away "wrong".


> People don't want poor people living in sub-optimal housing, so instead they force them to sleep outside or live with abusive people.

People don't want poor people to live near them. That is the root of most of the zoning issues, it's not because they are actually worried about the quality of the housing stock that the people would live in.


I've seen some research on "relative income happiness" that suggest having poor(er) people nearby should increase happiness. Perhaps it doesn't apply if the income cap is to large...


Or perhaps people aren't actually rational utility maximizing machines and might not properly anticipate the utility benefits from the change.


Science is descriptive, not prescriptive. So no psych/social science research would ever claim that people are rational utility maximizing machines since they're descriptive by their very nature. And if people were rational utility maximizing machines such an effect would not be observed since happiness affected by social comparison is irrational. I don't understand how you came up with such a straw man.

I'm guessing sorisos is spot on with their last sentence. There's a big difference between being a millionaire surrounded by middle classers and being a lower classer surrounded by extreme poverty. Often times with happiness research there are caveats and ranges to keep in mind but the nuances tend to get lost in the headlines.


The reason is a fear of decreasing property values, not any inherent property of the people nearby.


> People don't want poor people living in sub-optimal housing, so instead they force them to sleep outside or live with abusive people.

No, mostly people don't want poor people or sub-optimal housing in their neighborhoods, for a variety of financial, perceived safety, and emotional comfort related reasons.

If it was just not wanting poor people to live in suboptimal housing, there'd be a lot greater effort to provide non-sub-optimal housing to poor people. There are definitely people with this concern, but it's not the driver of housing and zoning policy.


Technical fix: aircrete dome homes. E.g.: https://www.domegaia.com/

Beautiful, cheap, easy, fast, durable (fire- and earthquake-proof, "It will not rot, rust or decompose in water.", etc.) and regular folk can make them with "backyard-scale" foamers and construction technique.


Yeah they said concrete would end homelessness. It's not a technical problem, it's a people problem. Places that allow and encourage lots of dense, walk-able construction (like where I live) have low rent, places that don't do this have high rent no matter how cheap construction materials are.


The liberal approach is to subsidize to maintain that base level, because of an awareness that the social outcomes tend to pay dividends in higher social unity, better health, etc.

Some people would rather pay for private security than for policy that makes muggings less likely, I suppose.


Is this what California, San Francisco, or New York do?


Pay for security rather than progressive social welfare policy?

I take it you've never heard of the NYPD or LAPD? "But they're not private security." Boy, I guess you got me there.


<State>, <City within the same state> <city within the same state with the same name as the state || state with the same name as the city within the same state>

.... yesn't???


They are all liberal governments with large GDPs or gdp per capitas who could implement any of these welfare programs if they chose to.


Not really, yet.




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